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“派遣23名工作人员飞往巴黎的澳大利亚大使馆讨论节约开支。政府不知道航班和住宿费用是多少。其他人估计为20万澳元。”
原始来源: Matthew Davis

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✅ 事实核查

该gāi gāi 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ 的de de 核心hé xīn hé xīn 事实shì shí shì shí 基本jī běn jī běn 得到dé dào dé dào 核实hé shí hé shí 。。 。
The core facts of this claim are largely verified.
DFATDFAT DFAT (( ( 外交wài jiāo wài jiāo 贸易部mào yì bù mào yì bù )) ) 确实què shí què shí 在zài zài 20162016 2016 年nián nián 99 9 月yuè yuè 派遣pài qiǎn pài qiǎn 2323 23 名míng míng 堪培拉kān péi lā kān péi lā 工作人员gōng zuò rén yuán gōng zuò rén yuán 乘坐chéng zuò chéng zuò 商务shāng wù shāng wù 舱cāng cāng 飞往fēi wǎng fēi wǎng 巴黎bā lí bā lí ,, , 参加cān jiā cān jiā 为期wéi qī wéi qī 三天sān tiān sān tiān 的de de 会议huì yì huì yì [[ [ 11 1 ]] ] 。。 。
DFAT (Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade) did fly 23 Canberra-based bureaucrats in business class to Paris in September 2016 to attend a three-day conference [1].
该gāi gāi 会议huì yì huì yì 的de de 重点zhòng diǎn zhòng diǎn 是shì shì 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu 外交wài jiāo wài jiāo 岗位gǎng wèi gǎng wèi 的de de 组织zǔ zhī zǔ zhī 重组chóng zǔ chóng zǔ 和hé hé 节约jié yuē jié yuē 战略zhàn lüè zhàn lüè [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] 。。 。
The conference was focused on organisational restructuring and cost-saving strategies for European diplomatic posts [2]. **On the cost claim:** The government officials stated they did not immediately disclose the full cost, with DFAT refusing to comment on the total expenses at the time [2].
** * ** * 关于guān yú guān yú 成本chéng běn chéng běn 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ :: : ** * ** * 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 官员guān yuán guān yuán 表示biǎo shì biǎo shì 他们tā men tā men 最初zuì chū zuì chū 未wèi wèi 披露pī lù pī lù 全部quán bù quán bù 费用fèi yòng fèi yòng ,, , DFATDFAT DFAT 当时dāng shí dāng shí 拒绝jù jué jù jué 对duì duì 总费用zǒng fèi yòng zǒng fèi yòng 发表fā biǎo fā biǎo 评论píng lùn píng lùn [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] 。。 。
However, media investigation and cost estimation put the figure close to the claimed amount.
然而rán ér rán ér ,, , 媒体méi tǐ méi tǐ 调查diào chá diào chá 和hé hé 成本chéng běn chéng běn 估算gū suàn gū suàn 得出dé chū dé chū 的de de 数字shù zì shù zì 与yǔ yǔ 该gāi gāi 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ 的de de 金额jīn é jīn é 接近jiē jìn jiē jìn 。。 。
According to the Sydney Morning Herald, using conservative estimates of cheapest business class fares (Qantas website data showing $3,800 one-way per ticket), three nights at the four-star Mercure Paris Centre Eiffel Tower Hotel ($530/night), and $150 daily meal allowance, the estimated total cost was approximately $215,000 for the Canberra-based attendees [2].
据jù jù 《《 《 悉尼xī ní xī ní 先驱xiān qū xiān qū 晨报chén bào chén bào 》》 》 报道bào dào bào dào ,, , 使用shǐ yòng shǐ yòng 最zuì zuì 保守bǎo shǒu bǎo shǒu 的de de 估算gū suàn gū suàn (( ( 澳洲ào zhōu ào zhōu 航空háng kōng háng kōng 网站wǎng zhàn wǎng zhàn 数据shù jù shù jù 显示xiǎn shì xiǎn shì 单程dān chéng dān chéng 商务shāng wù shāng wù 舱cāng cāng 票价piào jià piào jià 为wèi wèi 38003800 3800 澳元ào yuán ào yuán )) ) 、、 、 四星级sì xīng jí sì xīng jí 美居měi jū měi jū 巴黎埃菲尔铁塔bā lí āi fēi ěr tiě tǎ bā lí āi fēi ěr tiě tǎ 中心zhōng xīn zhōng xīn 酒店jiǔ diàn jiǔ diàn 三sān sān 晚wǎn wǎn 住宿zhù sù zhù sù (( ( 每晚měi wǎn měi wǎn 530530 530 澳元ào yuán ào yuán )) ) 以及yǐ jí yǐ jí 每日měi rì měi rì 150150 150 澳元ào yuán ào yuán 的de de 餐费cān fèi cān fèi 津贴jīn tiē jīn tiē ,, , 估计gū jì gū jì 堪培拉kān péi lā kān péi lā 参会cān huì cān huì 人员rén yuán rén yuán 的de de 总费用zǒng fèi yòng zǒng fèi yòng 约yuē yuē 为wèi wèi 21.521.5 21.5 万澳元wàn ào yuán wàn ào yuán [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] 。。 。
This figure did not include travel costs for approximately 46 Europe-based DFAT staff who also attended the conference [2].
该gāi gāi 数字shù zì shù zì 不bù bù 包括bāo kuò bāo kuò 约yuē yuē 4646 46 名驻míng zhù míng zhù 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu DFATDFAT DFAT 工作人员gōng zuò rén yuán gōng zuò rén yuán 的de de 差旅费chāi lǚ fèi chāi lǚ fèi 用yòng yòng ,, , 这些zhè xiē zhè xiē 人员rén yuán rén yuán 也yě yě 参加cān jiā cān jiā 了le le 会议huì yì huì yì [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] 。。 。
The figure of $200,000 mentioned in the claim aligns with media estimates and falls within a reasonable range given the incomplete disclosure by the government at the time.
说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ 中zhōng zhōng 提到tí dào tí dào 的de de 2020 20 万澳元wàn ào yuán wàn ào yuán 与yǔ yǔ 媒体méi tǐ méi tǐ 估计gū jì gū jì 一致yí zhì yí zhì ,, , 鉴于jiàn yú jiàn yú 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 当时dāng shí dāng shí 披露pī lù pī lù 信息xìn xī xìn xī 不bù bù 完整wán zhěng wán zhěng ,, , 该gāi gāi 数字shù zì shù zì 处于chǔ yú chǔ yú 合理hé lǐ hé lǐ 范围fàn wéi fàn wéi 内nèi nèi 。。 。

缺失背景

然而rán ér rán ér ,, , 该gāi gāi 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ 忽略hū lüè hū lüè 了le le 几个jǐ gè jǐ gè 重要zhòng yào zhòng yào 的de de 背景bèi jǐng bèi jǐng 因素yīn sù yīn sù :: :
However, the claim omits several important contextual factors: **1.
** * ** * 11 1 .. . 会议huì yì huì yì 目的mù dì mù dì 和hé hé 范围fàn wéi fàn wéi :: : ** * ** * 该gāi gāi 活动huó dòng huó dòng 是shì shì 一项yī xiàng yī xiàng 名为míng wèi míng wèi "" " RedesignRedesign Redesign "" " 的de de 重大zhòng dà zhòng dà 组织zǔ zhī zǔ zhī 改革gǎi gé gǎi gé 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù 的de de 一部分yī bù fèn yī bù fèn ,, , 具体jù tǐ jù tǐ 旨在zhǐ zài zhǐ zài 精简jīng jiǎn jīng jiǎn 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu 外交wài jiāo wài jiāo 岗位gǎng wèi gǎng wèi 的de de 运营yùn yíng yùn yíng 并bìng bìng 提高效率tí gāo xiào lǜ tí gāo xiào lǜ [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] 。。 。
Conference Purpose & Scope:** The event was part of a major organisational reform project called "Redesign," specifically aimed at streamlining operations and improving efficiencies at European diplomatic posts [2].
会议huì yì huì yì 涵盖hán gài hán gài 多个duō gè duō gè 运营yùn yíng yùn yíng 领域lǐng yù lǐng yù :: : 财务管理cái wù guǎn lǐ cái wù guǎn lǐ 、、 、 人力资源rén lì zī yuán rén lì zī yuán 、、 、 领事lǐng shì lǐng shì 和hé hé 护照hù zhào hù zhào 服务fú wù fú wù 、、 、 安全ān quán ān quán (( ( 特别tè bié tè bié 是shì shì 20162016 2016 年nián nián 恐怖主义kǒng bù zhǔ yì kǒng bù zhǔ yì 威胁wēi xié wēi xié 加剧jiā jù jiā jù )) ) 、、 、 采购cǎi gòu cǎi gòu 治理zhì lǐ zhì lǐ 、、 、 员工福利yuán gōng fú lì yuán gōng fú lì 、、 、 审计shěn jì shěn jì 和hé hé 风险fēng xiǎn fēng xiǎn 、、 、 健康jiàn kāng jiàn kāng 和hé hé 安全ān quán ān quán 、、 、 法律fǎ lǜ fǎ lǜ 风险fēng xiǎn fēng xiǎn 、、 、 信息技术xìn xī jì shù xìn xī jì shù 和hé hé 物业管理wù yè guǎn lǐ wù yè guǎn lǐ [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] 。。 。
The conference focused on multiple operational areas: financial management, human resources, consular and passport services, security (particularly elevated terrorism threats in 2016), procurement governance, staff welfare, audit and risk, health and safety, legal risk, IT, and property management [2]. **2.
** * ** * 22 2 .. . 地点dì diǎn dì diǎn 理由lǐ yóu lǐ yóu :: : ** * ** * DFATDFAT DFAT 官员guān yuán guān yuán 以yǐ yǐ 几个jǐ gè jǐ gè 理由lǐ yóu lǐ yóu 为wèi wèi 选择xuǎn zé xuǎn zé 巴黎bā lí bā lí 作为zuò wéi zuò wéi 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu 区域qū yù qū yù 中心zhōng xīn zhōng xīn 辩护biàn hù biàn hù :: : 与yǔ yǔ 在zài zài 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 举办jǔ bàn jǔ bàn 会议huì yì huì yì 相比xiāng bǐ xiāng bǐ ,, , 将jiāng jiāng 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu 各地gè dì gè dì 的de de 工作人员gōng zuò rén yuán gōng zuò rén yuán 聚集jù jí jù jí 在zài zài 一起yì qǐ yì qǐ 的de de 会议huì yì huì yì 地点dì diǎn dì diǎn 成本chéng běn chéng běn 效益xiào yì xiào yì 更高gèng gāo gèng gāo [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] 。。 。
Location Rationale:** DFAT officials justified Paris as a regional hub in Europe for several reasons: it was more cost-effective as a meeting point for bringing together staff from across European posts than holding the conference in Australia [2].
一位yī wèi yī wèi DFATDFAT DFAT 女nǚ nǚ 发言人fā yán rén fā yán rén 表示biǎo shì biǎo shì :: : "" " 由于yóu yú yóu yú 三分之二sān fēn zhī èr sān fēn zhī èr 的de de 参会cān huì cān huì 人员rén yuán rén yuán 是shì shì 驻zhù zhù 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu 工作人员gōng zuò rén yuán gōng zuò rén yuán ,, , 在zài zài 巴黎bā lí bā lí 举办jǔ bàn jǔ bàn 会议huì yì huì yì 的de de 成本chéng běn chéng běn 低于dī yú dī yú 在zài zài 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 举办jǔ bàn jǔ bàn 会议huì yì huì yì 的de de 成本chéng běn chéng běn "" " [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] 。。 。
A DFAT spokeswoman stated: "As two thirds of attendees were Europe-based staff, hosting the conference in Paris cost less than it would have cost to host the conference in Australia" [2].
会议huì yì huì yì 地点dì diǎn dì diǎn 在zài zài 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 大使馆dà shǐ guǎn dà shǐ guǎn ,, , 未wèi wèi 产生chǎn shēng chǎn shēng 额外é wài é wài 费用fèi yòng fèi yòng [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] 。。 。
The conference venue was at the Australian Embassy, provided at no additional cost [2]. **3.
** * ** * 33 3 .. . 战略zhàn lüè zhàn lüè 背景bèi jǐng bèi jǐng :: : ** * ** * 官员guān yuán guān yuán 表示biǎo shì biǎo shì ,, , 选择xuǎn zé xuǎn zé 巴黎bā lí bā lí 是因为shì yīn wèi shì yīn wèi 它tā tā 是shì shì "" " 交通枢纽jiāo tōng shū niǔ jiāo tōng shū niǔ "" " ,, , "" " 如果rú guǒ rú guǒ 你nǐ nǐ 要yào yào 把bǎ bǎ 欧洲地区ōu zhōu dì qū ōu zhōu dì qū 的de de 人rén rén 聚集jù jí jù jí 在zài zài 一起yì qǐ yì qǐ ,, , 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu 中心zhōng xīn zhōng xīn 地区dì qū dì qū 的de de 某个mǒu gè mǒu gè 地方dì fāng dì fāng 是shì shì 有yǒu yǒu 道理dào lǐ dào lǐ 的de de "" " [[ [ 33 3 ]] ] 。。 。
Strategic Context:** Paris was chosen, officials said, because it's "a transport hub" and "if you're bringing people from the Europe region, somewhere in the centre of Europe makes sense" [3].
这是zhè shì zhè shì 外交部长wài jiāo bù zhǎng wài jiāo bù zhǎng JulieJulie Julie BishopBishop Bishop 为wèi wèi 使用shǐ yòng shǐ yòng "" " 枢纽shū niǔ shū niǔ 辐射fú shè fú shè "" " 系统xì tǒng xì tǒng 提高tí gāo tí gāo 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu 较大jiào dà jiào dà 和hé hé 较jiào jiào 小xiǎo xiǎo 外交wài jiāo wài jiāo 岗位gǎng wèi gǎng wèi 之间zhī jiān zhī jiān 效率xiào lǜ xiào lǜ 的de de 更gèng gèng 广泛guǎng fàn guǎng fàn 举措jǔ cuò jǔ cuò 的de de 一部分yī bù fèn yī bù fèn [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] 。。 。
This was part of a broader initiative by Foreign Minister Julie Bishop to improve efficiencies between larger and smaller diplomatic posts in Europe using a "hub and spoke" system [2]. **4.
** * ** * 44 4 .. . 标准biāo zhǔn biāo zhǔn 做法zuò fǎ zuò fǎ :: : ** * ** * DFATDFAT DFAT 秘书mì shū mì shū FrancesFrances Frances AdamsonAdamson Adamson 为wèi wèi 该gāi gāi 会议huì yì huì yì 辩护biàn hù biàn hù 时shí shí 指出zhǐ chū zhǐ chū ,, , 该gāi gāi 部门bù mén bù mén "" " 3030 30 多年duō nián duō nián 来lái lái 一直yì zhí yì zhí 在zài zài 举办jǔ bàn jǔ bàn 区域qū yù qū yù 培训péi xùn péi xùn 会议huì yì huì yì "" " ,, , 每年měi nián měi nián 举办jǔ bàn jǔ bàn 约yuē yuē 四次sì cì sì cì 企业qǐ yè qǐ yè 管理guǎn lǐ guǎn lǐ 会议huì yì huì yì [[ [ 33 3 ]] ] 。。 。
Standard Practice:** DFAT secretary Frances Adamson defended the conference by noting that the department "had held regional training conferences for more than 30 years" and hosted about four corporate management conferences annually [3].
这zhè zhè 被bèi bèi 描述miáo shù miáo shù 为wèi wèi 常规cháng guī cháng guī 的de de 机构jī gòu jī gòu 做法zuò fǎ zuò fǎ ,, , 而ér ér 非fēi fēi 独特dú tè dú tè 或huò huò 一次性yí cì xìng yí cì xìng 的de de 支出zhī chū zhī chū [[ [ 33 3 ]] ] 。。 。
This was presented as a routine institutional practice, not a unique or one-off expenditure [3]. **5.
** * ** * 55 5 .. . 培训péi xùn péi xùn 要素yào sù yào sù :: : ** * ** * 官员guān yuán guān yuán 辩称biàn chēng biàn chēng ,, , 某些mǒu xiē mǒu xiē 培训péi xùn péi xùn 和hé hé 简报jiǎn bào jiǎn bào 要素yào sù yào sù 需要xū yào xū yào 亲自qīn zì qīn zì 交付jiāo fù jiāo fù 。。 。
Training Element:** The officials argued that certain elements of training and briefing required in-person delivery.
当dāng dāng 被bèi bèi 问及wèn jí wèn jí 视频会议shì pín huì yì shì pín huì yì 替代tì dài tì dài 方案fāng àn fāng àn 时shí shí ,, , 企业qǐ yè qǐ yè 管理guǎn lǐ guǎn lǐ 第一dì yī dì yī 助理zhù lǐ zhù lǐ 秘书mì shū mì shū JohnJohn John FisherFisher Fisher 回应huí yìng huí yìng :: : "" " 会议huì yì huì yì 的de de 某些mǒu xiē mǒu xiē 要素yào sù yào sù 我们wǒ men wǒ men 可以kě yǐ kě yǐ 通过tōng guò tōng guò SkypeSkype Skype 、、 、 视频会议shì pín huì yì shì pín huì yì 来lái lái 传达chuán dá chuán dá 。。 。
When asked about video conferencing alternatives, John Fisher (first assistant secretary of corporate management) responded: "Elements of the conference we can deliver by Skype, by video conferencing.
某些mǒu xiē mǒu xiē 要素yào sù yào sù 我们wǒ men wǒ men 选择xuǎn zé xuǎn zé 以yǐ yǐ 其他qí tā qí tā 方式fāng shì fāng shì 传达chuán dá chuán dá ,, , 某些mǒu xiē mǒu xiē 培训péi xùn péi xùn 要素yào sù yào sù 我们wǒ men wǒ men 有时yǒu shí yǒu shí 选择xuǎn zé xuǎn zé 亲自qīn zì qīn zì 提供tí gōng tí gōng "" " [[ [ 33 3 ]] ] 。。 。
Elements we choose to do otherwise, elements we choose to provide training sometimes in person" [3].

来源可信度评估

提供tí gōng tí gōng 的de de 原始yuán shǐ yuán shǐ 来源lái yuán lái yuán 包括bāo kuò bāo kuò 主流zhǔ liú zhǔ liú 、、 、 信誉xìn yù xìn yù 良好liáng hǎo liáng hǎo 的de de 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 媒体méi tǐ méi tǐ :: :
The original sources provided include mainstream, reputable Australian media: - **SBS News** is a major Australian public broadcaster with established credibility for political reporting [1] - **ABC News** provided detailed parliamentary reporting of the Senate Estimates hearing where the government defended the trip [3] - **The Sydney Morning Herald** (Fairfax Media) provided investigative reporting with detailed cost breakdowns [2] These are all mainstream, credible news sources without obvious partisan bias, though they naturally reported on the Opposition's criticism of the spending (Labor senator Penny Wong's questions at Senate Estimates).
-- - ** * ** * SBSSBS SBS 新闻xīn wén xīn wén ** * ** * 是shì shì 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 主要zhǔ yào zhǔ yào 的de de 公共广播gōng gòng guǎng bō gōng gòng guǎng bō 公司gōng sī gōng sī ,, , 政治zhèng zhì zhèng zhì 报道bào dào bào dào 具有jù yǒu jù yǒu 良好信誉liáng hǎo xìn yù liáng hǎo xìn yù [[ [ 11 1 ]] ]
The reporting focused on facts: the number of attendees, ticket prices from Qantas website, hotel booking sites, and official government statements.
-- - ** * ** * ABCABC ABC 新闻xīn wén xīn wén ** * ** * 提供tí gōng tí gōng 了le le 参议院cān yì yuàn cān yì yuàn 预算yù suàn yù suàn 委员会wěi yuán huì wěi yuán huì 听证会tīng zhèng huì tīng zhèng huì 的de de 详细xiáng xì xiáng xì 议会yì huì yì huì 报道bào dào bào dào ,, , 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 在zài zài 听证会tīng zhèng huì tīng zhèng huì 上shàng shàng 为wèi wèi 该gāi gāi 行程xíng chéng xíng chéng 辩护biàn hù biàn hù [[ [ 33 3 ]] ]
This approach is methodologically sound for cost estimation.
-- - ** * ** * 《《 《 悉尼xī ní xī ní 先驱xiān qū xiān qū 晨报chén bào chén bào 》》 》 ** * ** * (( ( 费尔法克斯fèi ěr fǎ kè sī fèi ěr fǎ kè sī 传媒chuán méi chuán méi )) ) 提供tí gōng tí gōng 了le le 详细xiáng xì xiáng xì 的de de 成本chéng běn chéng běn 分解fēn jiě fēn jiě 调查diào chá diào chá 报道bào dào bào dào [[ [ 22 2 ]] ]
这些zhè xiē zhè xiē 都dōu dōu 是shì shì 主流zhǔ liú zhǔ liú 、、 、 可信kě xìn kě xìn 的de de 新闻来源xīn wén lái yuán xīn wén lái yuán ,, , 没有méi yǒu méi yǒu 明显míng xiǎn míng xiǎn 的de de 党派dǎng pài dǎng pài 偏见piān jiàn piān jiàn ,, , 尽管jǐn guǎn jǐn guǎn 它们tā men tā men 自然zì rán zì rán 报道bào dào bào dào 了le le 反对党fǎn duì dǎng fǎn duì dǎng 对duì duì 支出zhī chū zhī chū 的de de 批评pī píng pī píng (( ( 工党gōng dǎng gōng dǎng 参议员cān yì yuán cān yì yuán PennyPenny Penny WongWong Wong 在zài zài 参议院cān yì yuàn cān yì yuàn 预算yù suàn yù suàn 委员会wěi yuán huì wěi yuán huì 的de de 质询zhì xún zhì xún )) ) 。。 。
报道bào dào bào dào 聚焦jù jiāo jù jiāo 于yú yú 事实shì shí shì shí :: : 参会cān huì cān huì 人数rén shù rén shù 、、 、 澳洲ào zhōu ào zhōu 航空háng kōng háng kōng 网站wǎng zhàn wǎng zhàn 的de de 票价piào jià piào jià 、、 、 酒店jiǔ diàn jiǔ diàn 预订yù dìng yù dìng 网站wǎng zhàn wǎng zhàn 和hé hé 官方guān fāng guān fāng 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 声明shēng míng shēng míng 。。 。
这种zhè zhǒng zhè zhǒng 方法fāng fǎ fāng fǎ 在zài zài 成本chéng běn chéng běn 估算gū suàn gū suàn 方面fāng miàn fāng miàn 方法论fāng fǎ lùn fāng fǎ lùn 上shàng shàng 是shì shì 合理hé lǐ hé lǐ 的de de 。。 。
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工党对比

** * ** * LaborLabor Labor 是否shì fǒu shì fǒu 做过zuò guò zuò guò 类似lèi sì lèi sì 的de de 事情shì qíng shì qíng ?? ?
**Did Labor do something similar?** Search conducted: "Labor government international travel staff spending controversial" The search did not return results specific to comparable Labor government international travel controversies.
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However, broader context suggests: - International government training conferences are routine across Australian government departments [3] - DFAT confirmed it had held such regional training conferences for "more than 30 years," suggesting this practice predates the Coalition government [3] - No evidence was found of Labor government implementing different practices for international training conferences or significantly reducing such expenditure when in office The absence of documented similar controversies for Labor does not mean they didn't occur—rather, it reflects that international government training and conferences are standard departmental practice across administrations.
搜索sōu suǒ sōu suǒ 关键词guān jiàn cí guān jiàn cí :: : "" " LaborLabor Labor 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 国际guó jì guó jì 旅行lǚ xíng lǚ xíng 工作人员gōng zuò rén yuán gōng zuò rén yuán 支出zhī chū zhī chū 争议zhēng yì zhēng yì "" "
搜索sōu suǒ sōu suǒ 未wèi wèi 返回fǎn huí fǎn huí LaborLabor Labor 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 国际guó jì guó jì 旅行lǚ xíng lǚ xíng 争议zhēng yì zhēng yì 的de de 具体jù tǐ jù tǐ 可比kě bǐ kě bǐ 结果jié guǒ jié guǒ 。。 。
然而rán ér rán ér ,, , 更gèng gèng 广泛guǎng fàn guǎng fàn 的de de 背景bèi jǐng bèi jǐng 表明biǎo míng biǎo míng :: :
-- - 国际guó jì guó jì 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 培训péi xùn péi xùn 会议huì yì huì yì 是shì shì 澳大利亚政府ào dà lì yà zhèng fǔ ào dà lì yà zhèng fǔ 各gè gè 部门bù mén bù mén 的de de 常规cháng guī cháng guī 做法zuò fǎ zuò fǎ [[ [ 33 3 ]] ]
-- - DFATDFAT DFAT 确认què rèn què rèn 已yǐ yǐ 举办jǔ bàn jǔ bàn 此类cǐ lèi cǐ lèi 区域qū yù qū yù 培训péi xùn péi xùn 会议huì yì huì yì "" " 3030 30 多年duō nián duō nián "" " ,, , 表明biǎo míng biǎo míng 这种zhè zhǒng zhè zhǒng 做法zuò fǎ zuò fǎ 早于zǎo yú zǎo yú CoalitionCoalition Coalition 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ [[ [ 33 3 ]] ]
-- - 未wèi wèi 发现fā xiàn fā xiàn 证据zhèng jù zhèng jù 表明biǎo míng biǎo míng LaborLabor Labor 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 在zài zài 执政zhí zhèng zhí zhèng 时shí shí 对duì duì 国际guó jì guó jì 培训péi xùn péi xùn 会议huì yì huì yì 采取cǎi qǔ cǎi qǔ 不同bù tóng bù tóng 做法zuò fǎ zuò fǎ 或huò huò 大幅dà fú dà fú 减少jiǎn shǎo jiǎn shǎo 此类cǐ lèi cǐ lèi 支出zhī chū zhī chū
LaborLabor Labor 没有méi yǒu méi yǒu 记录jì lù jì lù 类似lèi sì lèi sì 争议zhēng yì zhēng yì 并bìng bìng 不bù bù 意味yì wèi yì wèi 他们tā men tā men 没有méi yǒu méi yǒu 发生fā shēng fā shēng 过guò guò —— — —— — 相反xiāng fǎn xiāng fǎn ,, , 这zhè zhè 反映fǎn yìng fǎn yìng 了le le 国际guó jì guó jì 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 培训péi xùn péi xùn 和hé hé 会议huì yì huì yì 是shì shì 各届gè jiè gè jiè 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 的de de 标准biāo zhǔn biāo zhǔn 部门bù mén bù mén 做法zuò fǎ zuò fǎ 。。 。
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平衡视角

** * ** * 批评者pī píng zhě pī píng zhě 的de de 论点lùn diǎn lùn diǎn :: : ** * ** *
**Critics' Arguments:** Labor opposition leader Penny Wong criticized the expense, particularly questioning why the conference couldn't have been held via video conferencing instead, noting that Paris "is not known as a cheap city" [3].
工党gōng dǎng gōng dǎng 反对党fǎn duì dǎng fǎn duì dǎng 领袖lǐng xiù lǐng xiù PennyPenny Penny WongWong Wong 批评pī píng pī píng 了le le 这项zhè xiàng zhè xiàng 支出zhī chū zhī chū ,, , 特别tè bié tè bié 质疑zhì yí zhì yí 为什么wèi shén me wèi shén me 会议huì yì huì yì 不能bù néng bù néng 通过tōng guò tōng guò 视频会议shì pín huì yì shì pín huì yì 举行jǔ xíng jǔ xíng ,, , 指出zhǐ chū zhǐ chū 巴黎bā lí bā lí "" " 并非bìng fēi bìng fēi 以yǐ yǐ 物价wù jià wù jià 低廉dī lián dī lián 著称zhù chēng zhù chēng "" " [[ [ 33 3 ]] ] 。。 。
The irony of flying staff to Paris *to discuss saving money* was highlighted as particularly poor optics [1][3]. **Government Justification:** DFAT officials provided legitimate counterarguments: 1. **Efficiency argument:** Two-thirds of attendees were Europe-based staff, making Paris a central meeting point more cost-effective than flying everyone to Australia [2] 2. **Regional hub logic:** Using a regional hub for European staff training is a recognized government efficiency practice [3] 3. **Free venue:** Using the Australian Embassy avoided additional venue costs [2] 4. **Training necessity:** Certain elements of training—particularly security briefings relevant to posts in Europe (given 2016 terrorism concerns) and human resources management—were deemed to require in-person delivery [2][3] 5. **Institutional precedent:** The practice of holding regional training conferences was 30+ years old and routine to departmental operations [3] **Assessment of Trade-offs:** This decision involves genuine policy trade-offs: - **Training effectiveness:** In-person training can be more effective for complex organisational issues, particularly for security briefings and change management related to the "Redesign" reform project - **Cost control:** Video conferencing would have been cheaper, though officials argued it was insufficient for certain training elements - **Optics:** Regardless of the efficiency arguments, the optical contradiction of flying staff to discuss cost-saving measures created significant political vulnerability The criticism is not unfair—the optics were poor, and whether in-person training was truly necessary for all elements is debatable.
派遣pài qiǎn pài qiǎn 工作人员gōng zuò rén yuán gōng zuò rén yuán 飞往fēi wǎng fēi wǎng 巴黎bā lí bā lí ** * 讨论tǎo lùn tǎo lùn 省钱shěng qián shěng qián ** * 的de de 讽刺fěng cì fěng cì 意味yì wèi yì wèi 被bèi bèi 强调qiáng diào qiáng diào 为wèi wèi 特别tè bié tè bié 糟糕zāo gāo zāo gāo 的de de 公关gōng guān gōng guān 形象xíng xiàng xíng xiàng [[ [ 11 1 ]] ] [[ [ 33 3 ]] ] 。。 。
However, the government's efficiency arguments are not unreasonable, and the cost difference compared to flying European-based staff to Australia would have been substantial.
** * ** * 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 的de de 辩护biàn hù biàn hù :: : ** * ** *
DFATDFAT DFAT 官员guān yuán guān yuán 提供tí gōng tí gōng 了le le 合理hé lǐ hé lǐ 的de de 反驳fǎn bó fǎn bó 论点lùn diǎn lùn diǎn :: :
11 1 .. . ** * ** * 效率xiào lǜ xiào lǜ 论点lùn diǎn lùn diǎn :: : ** * ** * 三分之二sān fēn zhī èr sān fēn zhī èr 的de de 参会cān huì cān huì 人员rén yuán rén yuán 是shì shì 驻zhù zhù 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu 工作人员gōng zuò rén yuán gōng zuò rén yuán ,, , 使shǐ shǐ 巴黎bā lí bā lí 成为chéng wéi chéng wéi 比bǐ bǐ 让ràng ràng 所有人suǒ yǒu rén suǒ yǒu rén 飞往fēi wǎng fēi wǎng 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 更gèng gèng 经济jīng jì jīng jì 的de de 中央zhōng yāng zhōng yāng 会议huì yì huì yì 点diǎn diǎn [[ [ 22 2 ]] ]
22 2 .. . ** * ** * 区域qū yù qū yù 枢纽shū niǔ shū niǔ 逻辑luó jí luó jí :: : ** * ** * 使用shǐ yòng shǐ yòng 区域qū yù qū yù 枢纽shū niǔ shū niǔ 进行jìn xíng jìn xíng 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu 工作人员gōng zuò rén yuán gōng zuò rén yuán 培训péi xùn péi xùn 是shì shì 公认gōng rèn gōng rèn 的de de 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 效率xiào lǜ xiào lǜ 做法zuò fǎ zuò fǎ [[ [ 33 3 ]] ]
33 3 .. . ** * ** * 免费miǎn fèi miǎn fèi 场地chǎng dì chǎng dì :: : ** * ** * 使用shǐ yòng shǐ yòng 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 大使馆dà shǐ guǎn dà shǐ guǎn 避免bì miǎn bì miǎn 了le le 额外é wài é wài 的de de 场地chǎng dì chǎng dì 费用fèi yòng fèi yòng [[ [ 22 2 ]] ]
44 4 .. . ** * ** * 培训péi xùn péi xùn 必要性bì yào xìng bì yào xìng :: : ** * ** * 某些mǒu xiē mǒu xiē 培训péi xùn péi xùn 要素yào sù yào sù —— — —— — 特别tè bié tè bié 是shì shì 与yǔ yǔ 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu 岗位gǎng wèi gǎng wèi 相关xiāng guān xiāng guān 的de de 安全ān quán ān quán 简报jiǎn bào jiǎn bào (( ( 鉴于jiàn yú jiàn yú 20162016 2016 年nián nián 恐怖主义kǒng bù zhǔ yì kǒng bù zhǔ yì 担忧dān yōu dān yōu )) ) 和hé hé 人力rén lì rén lì 资源管理zī yuán guǎn lǐ zī yuán guǎn lǐ —— — —— — 被bèi bèi 认为rèn wéi rèn wéi 需要xū yào xū yào 亲自qīn zì qīn zì 交付jiāo fù jiāo fù [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] [[ [ 33 3 ]] ]
55 5 .. . ** * ** * 机构jī gòu jī gòu 先例xiān lì xiān lì :: : ** * ** * 举办jǔ bàn jǔ bàn 区域qū yù qū yù 培训péi xùn péi xùn 会议huì yì huì yì 的de de 做法zuò fǎ zuò fǎ 已有yǐ yǒu yǐ yǒu 3030 30 多年duō nián duō nián 历史lì shǐ lì shǐ ,, , 是shì shì 部门bù mén bù mén 运营yùn yíng yùn yíng 的de de 常规cháng guī cháng guī 做法zuò fǎ zuò fǎ [[ [ 33 3 ]] ]
** * ** * 权衡quán héng quán héng 评估píng gū píng gū :: : ** * ** *
这一zhè yī zhè yī 决定jué dìng jué dìng 涉及shè jí shè jí 真正zhēn zhèng zhēn zhèng 的de de 政策zhèng cè zhèng cè 权衡quán héng quán héng :: :
-- - ** * ** * 培训péi xùn péi xùn 效果xiào guǒ xiào guǒ :: : ** * ** * 对于duì yú duì yú 与yǔ yǔ "" " RedesignRedesign Redesign "" " 改革gǎi gé gǎi gé 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù 相关xiāng guān xiāng guān 的de de 复杂fù zá fù zá 组织zǔ zhī zǔ zhī 问题wèn tí wèn tí ,, , 特别tè bié tè bié 是shì shì 安全ān quán ān quán 简报jiǎn bào jiǎn bào 和hé hé 变革biàn gé biàn gé 管理guǎn lǐ guǎn lǐ ,, , 亲自qīn zì qīn zì 培训péi xùn péi xùn 可能kě néng kě néng 更gèng gèng 有效yǒu xiào yǒu xiào
-- - ** * ** * 成本chéng běn chéng běn 控制kòng zhì kòng zhì :: : ** * ** * 视频会议shì pín huì yì shì pín huì yì 会huì huì 更gèng gèng 便宜pián yi pián yi ,, , 尽管jǐn guǎn jǐn guǎn 官员guān yuán guān yuán 认为rèn wéi rèn wéi 它tā tā 对duì duì 某些mǒu xiē mǒu xiē 培训péi xùn péi xùn 要素yào sù yào sù 不够bù gòu bù gòu 充分chōng fèn chōng fèn
-- - ** * ** * 公关gōng guān gōng guān 形象xíng xiàng xíng xiàng :: : ** * ** * 无论wú lùn wú lùn 效率xiào lǜ xiào lǜ 论点lùn diǎn lùn diǎn 如何rú hé rú hé ,, , 派遣pài qiǎn pài qiǎn 工作人员gōng zuò rén yuán gōng zuò rén yuán 讨论tǎo lùn tǎo lùn 节约jié yuē jié yuē 措施cuò shī cuò shī 所suǒ suǒ 产生chǎn shēng chǎn shēng 的de de 视觉shì jué shì jué 矛盾máo dùn máo dùn 造成zào chéng zào chéng 了le le 重大zhòng dà zhòng dà 的de de 政治zhèng zhì zhèng zhì 脆弱性cuì ruò xìng cuì ruò xìng
批评pī píng pī píng 并非bìng fēi bìng fēi 不bù bù 公平gōng píng gōng píng —— — —— — 公关gōng guān gōng guān 形象xíng xiàng xíng xiàng 不佳bù jiā bù jiā ,, , 而且ér qiě ér qiě 亲自qīn zì qīn zì 培训péi xùn péi xùn 是否shì fǒu shì fǒu 对duì duì 所有suǒ yǒu suǒ yǒu 要素yào sù yào sù 都dōu dōu 真正zhēn zhèng zhēn zhèng 必要bì yào bì yào 是shì shì 可辩论kě biàn lùn kě biàn lùn 的de de 。。 。
然而rán ér rán ér ,, , 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 的de de 效率xiào lǜ xiào lǜ 论点lùn diǎn lùn diǎn 并非bìng fēi bìng fēi 不合理bù hé lǐ bù hé lǐ ,, , 与yǔ yǔ 让ràng ràng 驻zhù zhù 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu 工作人员gōng zuò rén yuán gōng zuò rén yuán 飞往fēi wǎng fēi wǎng 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 的de de 成本chéng běn chéng běn 相比xiāng bǐ xiāng bǐ ,, , 成本chéng běn chéng běn 差异chā yì chā yì 将jiāng jiāng 是shì shì 巨大jù dà jù dà 的de de 。。 。

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关于guān yú guān yú 派遣pài qiǎn pài qiǎn 2323 23 名míng míng 工作人员gōng zuò rén yuán gōng zuò rén yuán 飞往fēi wǎng fēi wǎng 巴黎bā lí bā lí 讨论tǎo lùn tǎo lùn 节约jié yuē jié yuē 措施cuò shī cuò shī 以及yǐ jí yǐ jí 约yuē yuē 2020 20 万澳元wàn ào yuán wàn ào yuán 成本chéng běn chéng běn 的de de 事实shì shí shì shí 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ 是shì shì 准确zhǔn què zhǔn què 的de de [[ [ 11 1 ]] ] [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] 。。 。
The factual claims about flying 23 staff to Paris for a cost-saving discussion and the approximately $200,000 cost are accurate [1][2].
然而rán ér rán ér ,, , 表述biǎo shù biǎo shù 不bù bù 完整wán zhěng wán zhěng 且qiě qiě 有些yǒu xiē yǒu xiē 误导wù dǎo wù dǎo 。。 。
However, the framing is incomplete and somewhat misleading.
"" " 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 不bù bù 知道zhī dào zhī dào 航班háng bān háng bān 和hé hé 住宿费zhù sù fèi zhù sù fèi 用yòng yòng 是shì shì 多少duō shǎo duō shǎo "" " 的de de 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ 不bù bù 准确zhǔn què zhǔn què —— — —— — DFATDFAT DFAT 官员guān yuán guān yuán 只是zhǐ shì zhǐ shì 最初zuì chū zuì chū 未公开wèi gōng kāi wèi gōng kāi 披露pī lù pī lù 确切què qiè què qiè 费用fèi yòng fèi yòng ,, , 尽管jǐn guǎn jǐn guǎn 媒体méi tǐ méi tǐ 根据gēn jù gēn jù 公开gōng kāi gōng kāi 可用kě yòng kě yòng 的de de 定价dìng jià dìng jià 数据shù jù shù jù 迅速xùn sù xùn sù 计算jì suàn jì suàn 出chū chū 估计gū jì gū jì 数字shù zì shù zì [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] 。。 。
The claim that "the government does not know how much the flights and accommodation cost" is imprecise—DFAT officials simply didn't publicly disclose the exact cost initially, though estimates were swiftly calculated by media based on publicly available pricing data [2].
更gèng gèng 重要zhòng yào zhòng yào 的de de 是shì shì ,, , 该gāi gāi 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ 忽略hū lüè hū lüè 了le le 三分之二sān fēn zhī èr sān fēn zhī èr 的de de 参会cān huì cān huì 人员rén yuán rén yuán 是shì shì 驻zhù zhù 欧洲ōu zhōu ōu zhōu 工作人员gōng zuò rén yuán gōng zuò rén yuán 的de de 背景bèi jǐng bèi jǐng ,, , 使shǐ shǐ 巴黎bā lí bā lí 成为chéng wéi chéng wéi 比bǐ bǐ 替代tì dài tì dài 方案fāng àn fāng àn 更gèng gèng 高效gāo xiào gāo xiào 的de de 区域qū yù qū yù 枢纽shū niǔ shū niǔ 选择xuǎn zé xuǎn zé ,, , 以及yǐ jí yǐ jí 这是zhè shì zhè shì 区域qū yù qū yù 培训péi xùn péi xùn 会议huì yì huì yì 3030 30 年nián nián 机构jī gòu jī gòu 做法zuò fǎ zuò fǎ 的de de 一部分yī bù fèn yī bù fèn [[ [ 22 2 ]] ] [[ [ 33 3 ]] ] 。。 。
More importantly, the claim omits the context that two-thirds of attendees were Europe-based staff, making Paris a regional hub choice that was cost-efficient compared to alternatives, and that this was part of a 30-year institutional practice of regional training conferences [2][3].
讽刺fěng cì fěng cì 仍然réng rán réng rán 存在cún zài cún zài —— — —— — 公关gōng guān gōng guān 形象xíng xiàng xíng xiàng 不佳bù jiā bù jiā 。。 。
The irony remains valid—the optics were poor.
但dàn dàn 将jiāng jiāng 其qí qí 描述miáo shù miáo shù 为wèi wèi 没有méi yǒu méi yǒu 背景bèi jǐng bèi jǐng 的de de 孤立gū lì gū lì 浪费làng fèi làng fèi 支出zhī chū zhī chū 案例àn lì àn lì ,, , 忽略hū lüè hū lüè 了le le 地点dì diǎn dì diǎn 选择xuǎn zé xuǎn zé 的de de 合理hé lǐ hé lǐ 效率xiào lǜ xiào lǜ 论点lùn diǎn lùn diǎn 和hé hé 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 范围fàn wéi fàn wéi 内nèi nèi 的de de 标准biāo zhǔn biāo zhǔn 做法zuò fǎ zuò fǎ 。。 。
But characterizing this as an isolated example of wasteful spending without context misses the legitimate efficiency arguments for the location choice and the standard nature of the practice across government.

📚 来源与引用 (5)

  1. 1
    SBS News - You flew people to Paris to save money? Wong incredulous over government spending

    SBS News - You flew people to Paris to save money? Wong incredulous over government spending

    The federal government cannot say how much it cost to send nearly 50 staff to a Paris conference on saving money.

    SBS News
  2. 2
    Sydney Morning Herald - Department of Foreign Affairs flies 23 executives business class to Paris for a meeting about saving money

    Sydney Morning Herald - Department of Foreign Affairs flies 23 executives business class to Paris for a meeting about saving money

    Entourage included a departmental pyschologist, a conduct and ethics manager, and a health and safety officer.

    The Sydney Morning Herald
  3. 3
    ABC News - DFAT defends decision to fly staff to Paris for cost savings meeting

    ABC News - DFAT defends decision to fly staff to Paris for cost savings meeting

    The Federal Opposition grills the Department of Foreign Affairs over why it flew more than 20 staff from Canberra to Paris for a conference that focused on saving money.

    Abc Net
  4. 4
    Taipei Times - Australian officials visit Paris, discuss lowering spending

    Taipei Times - Australian officials visit Paris, discuss lowering spending

    Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

    Taipei Times
  5. 5
    AP News - Australian officials fly to Paris to discuss saving money

    AP News - Australian officials fly to Paris to discuss saving money

    Australia's foreign department says it flew 23 bureaucrats business class from Canberra to Paris to attend a three-day conference and discuss ways to save money.

    AP News

评分方法

1-3: 不实

事实错误或恶意捏造。

4-6: 部分属实

有一定真实性,但缺乏背景或有所偏颇。

7-9: 基本属实

仅有微小的技术性或措辞问题。

10: 准确

完全经过验证且客观公正。

方法论: 评分通过交叉参照政府官方记录、独立事实核查机构和原始文件确定。