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“花费240亿澳元购买新的、有缺陷的、会自燃的战斗机,已经比计划落后数年,而且这些飞机不会在澳大利亚制造。这些飞机无法使用在阳光下暴晒后变热的卡车燃油(因为油箱被用作散热器)。用于开火的软件在部署后3年才能准备就绪。该软件尚未通过安全审计。每架飞机的机炮弹药量不足3秒。”
原始来源: Matthew Davis
分析时间: 1 Feb 2026

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事实核查

###### ### 成本chéng běn chéng běn 采购cǎi gòu cǎi gòu
### Cost and Procurement
gāi gāi 声称shēng chēng shēng chēng chēng chēng FF F -- - 3535 35 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù "" " 240240 240 亿澳元yì ào yuán yì ào yuán "" "
The claim states "$24 billion" for the F-35 program.
截至jié zhì jié zhì 20142014 2014 -- - 20182018 2018 nián nián 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà duì duì FF F -- - 3535 35 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù de de zǒng zǒng 投资tóu zī tóu zī 估计gū jì gū jì yuē yuē wèi wèi 170170 170 亿澳元yì ào yuán yì ào yuán 购买gòu mǎi gòu mǎi 7272 72 架飞机jià fēi jī jià fēi jī 尽管jǐn guǎn jǐn guǎn 包括bāo kuò bāo kuò 飞机fēi jī fēi jī 寿命shòu mìng shòu mìng 期内qī nèi qī nèi de de 维持wéi chí wéi chí 费用fèi yòng fèi yòng 在内zài nèi zài nèi de de zǒng zǒng 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù 成本chéng běn chéng běn jiāng jiāng 达到dá dào dá dào gèng gèng gāo gāo de de 数字shù zì shù zì
Australia's total investment in the F-35 program was estimated at approximately $17 billion for 72 aircraft as of 2014-2018, though total program costs including sustainment over the life of the aircraft would reach higher figures.
240240 240 亿澳元yì ào yuán yì ào yuán de de 数字shù zì shù zì 似乎sì hū sì hū shì shì 一个yí gè yí gè 夸大kuā dà kuā dà de de huò huò 预测yù cè yù cè de de 长期cháng qī cháng qī 成本chéng běn chéng běn 估算gū suàn gū suàn ér ér fēi fēi 采购cǎi gòu cǎi gòu 成本chéng běn chéng běn
The $24 billion figure appears to be an inflated or projected long-term cost estimate rather than the acquisition cost.
FF F -- - 3535 35 联合lián hé lián hé 攻击gōng jī gōng jī 战斗机zhàn dòu jī zhàn dòu jī 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù 20022002 2002 nián nián zài zài ** * ** * HowardHoward Howard 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ CoalitionCoalition Coalition ** * ** * 领导lǐng dǎo lǐng dǎo xià xià 启动qǐ dòng qǐ dòng 当时dāng shí dāng shí 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 作为zuò wéi zuò wéi 系统xì tǒng xì tǒng 开发kāi fā kāi fā 演示yǎn shì yǎn shì 阶段jiē duàn jiē duàn de de 33 3 合作伙伴hé zuò huǒ bàn hé zuò huǒ bàn 加入jiā rù jiā rù
The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program was initiated under the **Howard Government (Coalition) in 2002** when Australia joined as a Level 3 partner in the System Development and Demonstration phase.
购买gòu mǎi gòu mǎi 7272 72 jià jià FF F -- - 35A35A 35A 飞机fēi jī fēi jī de de 决定jué dìng jué dìng shì shì zài zài 20092009 2009 nián nián yóu yóu ** * ** * RuddRudd Rudd LaborLabor Labor 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ ** * ** * 宣布xuān bù xuān bù de de 首批shǒu pī shǒu pī 1414 14 架飞机jià fēi jī jià fēi jī de de 订单dìng dān dìng dān 20142014 2014 nián nián yóu yóu AbbottAbbott Abbott CoalitionCoalition Coalition 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 下达xià dá xià dá
The decision to purchase 72 F-35A aircraft was announced in 2009 under the **Rudd Labor Government**, with the first order of 14 aircraft placed in 2014 under the Abbott Coalition Government.
###### ### 技术jì shù jì shù 问题wèn tí wèn tí
### Technical Problems
** * ** * 燃油rán yóu rán yóu // / 散热器sàn rè qì sàn rè qì 问题wèn tí wèn tí ** * ** * 关于guān yú guān yú 温热wēn rè wēn rè 燃油rán yóu rán yóu de de 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ shì shì 准确zhǔn què zhǔn què de de
**Fuel/Heat Sink Issues:** The claim about warm fuel is accurate.
FF F -- - 3535 35 de de 燃油rán yóu rán yóu 系统xì tǒng xì tǒng 确实què shí què shí bèi bèi 用作yòng zuò yòng zuò 散热器sàn rè qì sàn rè qì lái lái 冷却lěng què lěng què 飞机fēi jī fēi jī de de 系统xì tǒng xì tǒng
The F-35's fuel system is indeed used as a heat sink to cool the aircraft's systems.
早期zǎo qī zǎo qī 测试cè shì cè shì 发现fā xiàn fā xiàn 超过chāo guò chāo guò 特定tè dìng tè dìng 温度wēn dù wēn dù yuē yuē 4848 48 °° ° CC C // / 118118 118 °° ° FF F de de 燃油rán yóu rán yóu 无法wú fǎ wú fǎ 安全ān quán ān quán 使用shǐ yòng shǐ yòng
Early testing revealed that fuel above certain temperatures (approximately 48°C/118°F) could not be used safely.
zhè zhè zài zài 炎热yán rè yán rè 气候qì hòu qì hòu zhōng zhōng 尤其yóu qí yóu qí 成问题chéng wèn tí chéng wèn tí 因为yīn wèi yīn wèi 停放tíng fàng tíng fàng zài zài 阳光yáng guāng yáng guāng xià xià de de 燃油rán yóu rán yóu 卡车kǎ chē kǎ chē 可能kě néng kě néng 超过chāo guò chāo guò 这些zhè xiē zhè xiē 温度wēn dù wēn dù
This was particularly problematic in hot climates where fuel trucks sitting in the sun could exceed these temperatures.
这个zhè ge zhè ge 问题wèn tí wèn tí zài zài 五角大楼wǔ jiǎo dà lóu wǔ jiǎo dà lóu de de 测试报告cè shì bào gào cè shì bào gào 中有zhōng yǒu zhōng yǒu 记录jì lù jì lù 需要xū yào xū yào 采取cǎi qǔ cǎi qǔ 作战zuò zhàn zuò zhàn 变通biàn tōng biàn tōng 方案fāng àn fāng àn
This issue was documented in Pentagon testing reports and required operational workarounds. **Gun Software Delay:** The claim that gun software would not be ready until 2019 is accurate for the F-35A variant.
** * ** * 机炮jī pào jī pào 软件ruǎn jiàn ruǎn jiàn 延迟yán chí yán chí ** * ** * 关于guān yú guān yú 机炮jī pào jī pào 软件ruǎn jiàn ruǎn jiàn yào yào dào dào 20192019 2019 nián nián 才能cái néng cái néng 准备就绪zhǔn bèi jiù xù zhǔn bèi jiù xù de de 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ 对于duì yú duì yú FF F -- - 3535 35 A型A xíng A xíng hào hào shì shì 准确zhǔn què zhǔn què de de
The internal gun (GAU-22/A) was not operational until Block 3F software was fielded in 2019.
内部nèi bù nèi bù 机炮jī pào jī pào GAUGAU GAU -- - 2222 22 // / AA A 直到zhí dào zhí dào 20192019 2019 nián nián 部署bù shǔ bù shǔ BlockBlock Block 3F3F 3F 软件ruǎn jiàn ruǎn jiàn hòu hòu cái cái 具备jù bèi jù bèi 作战zuò zhàn zuò zhàn 能力néng lì néng lì
The F-35 initially deployed with incomplete combat capabilities, requiring software blocks to unlock full functionality. **Ammunition Capacity:** The F-35A carries 182 rounds for its internal GAU-22/A cannon.
FF F -- - 3535 35 最初zuì chū zuì chū 部署bù shǔ bù shǔ shí shí 作战zuò zhàn zuò zhàn 能力néng lì néng lì 不足bù zú bù zú 需要xū yào xū yào 软件ruǎn jiàn ruǎn jiàn 模块mó kuài mó kuài lái lái 解锁jiě suǒ jiě suǒ 全部quán bù quán bù 功能gōng néng gōng néng
At the gun's rate of fire (3,300 rounds per minute), this provides approximately **3.3 seconds** of ammunition - confirming the claim of "less than 3 seconds" is roughly accurate. **Spontaneous Combustion:** There were documented cases of F-35B fires, including a 2014 engine fire at Eglin Air Force Base that led to the temporary grounding of the entire fleet.
** * ** * 弹药dàn yào dàn yào 容量róng liàng róng liàng ** * ** * FF F -- - 35A35A 35A wèi wèi 内部nèi bù nèi bù GAUGAU GAU -- - 2222 22 // / AA A 机炮jī pào jī pào 携带xié dài xié dài 182182 182 弹药dàn yào dàn yào
However, "spontaneously combusting" is an exaggeration - these were mechanical/engine failures, not random combustions. **Security Audit:** The claim about software security audits reflects broader concerns about the F-35's complex software systems (over 8 million lines of code).
以该yǐ gāi yǐ gāi pào pào de de 射速shè sù shè sù 每分钟měi fēn zhōng měi fēn zhōng 33 3 ,, , 300300 300 计算jì suàn jì suàn zhè zhè 提供tí gōng tí gōng yuē yuē ** * ** * 3.33.3 3.3 miǎo miǎo ** * ** * de de 弹药dàn yào dàn yào liàng liàng 证实zhèng shí zhèng shí "" " 不足bù zú bù zú 33 3 miǎo miǎo "" " de de 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ 大致dà zhì dà zhì 准确zhǔn què zhǔn què
Specific classified security audit results are not publicly available, but the software did undergo extensive testing. **Built in Australia:** The claim that jets "aren't going to be built in Australia" is partially misleading.
** * ** * 自燃zì rán zì rán ** * ** * yǒu yǒu 记录在案jì lù zài àn jì lù zài àn de de FF F -- - 35B35B 35B 起火qǐ huǒ qǐ huǒ 案例àn lì àn lì 包括bāo kuò bāo kuò 20142014 2014 nián nián zài zài 埃格林āi gé lín āi gé lín 空军基地kōng jūn jī dì kōng jūn jī dì 发生fā shēng fā shēng de de 发动机fā dòng jī fā dòng jī 起火qǐ huǒ qǐ huǒ 事件shì jiàn shì jiàn 导致dǎo zhì dǎo zhì 整个zhěng gè zhěng gè 机队jī duì jī duì 暂时zàn shí zàn shí 停飞tíng fēi tíng fēi
Final assembly and checkout for some Australian F-35s was performed at a facility in Australia (Aerospace Australia Limited at Williamtown), though major assembly occurred at Lockheed Martin in Fort Worth, Texas. **Schedule Delays:** The F-35 program was indeed years behind schedule.
然而rán ér rán ér "" " 自燃zì rán zì rán "" " shì shì 夸大其词kuā dà qí cí kuā dà qí cí 这些zhè xiē zhè xiē shì shì 机械jī xiè jī xiè // / 发动机fā dòng jī fā dòng jī 故障gù zhàng gù zhàng ér ér fēi fēi 随机suí jī suí jī 燃烧rán shāo rán shāo
Initial operational capability was repeatedly delayed from original projections of 2010-2012 to 2016 (USMC F-35B), 2019 (USAF F-35A), and 2021 (US Navy F-35C).
** * ** * 安全ān quán ān quán 审计shěn jì shěn jì ** * ** * 关于软件guān yú ruǎn jiàn guān yú ruǎn jiàn 安全ān quán ān quán 审计shěn jì shěn jì de de 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ 反映fǎn yìng fǎn yìng le le duì duì FF F -- - 3535 35 复杂fù zá fù zá 软件系统ruǎn jiàn xì tǒng ruǎn jiàn xì tǒng 超过chāo guò chāo guò 800800 800 万行wàn xíng wàn xíng 代码dài mǎ dài mǎ de de gèng gèng 广泛guǎng fàn guǎng fàn 担忧dān yōu dān yōu
具体jù tǐ jù tǐ de de 机密jī mì jī mì 安全ān quán ān quán 审计shěn jì shěn jì 结果jié guǒ jié guǒ 公开gōng kāi gōng kāi dàn dàn 软件ruǎn jiàn ruǎn jiàn 确实què shí què shí 经过jīng guò jīng guò le le 广泛guǎng fàn guǎng fàn 测试cè shì cè shì
** * ** * zài zài 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 制造zhì zào zhì zào ** * ** * chēng chēng 飞机fēi jī fēi jī "" " 不会bú huì bú huì zài zài 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 制造zhì zào zhì zào "" " de de 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ 部分bù fèn bù fèn 具有jù yǒu jù yǒu 误导性wù dǎo xìng wù dǎo xìng
部分bù fèn bù fèn 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà FF F -- - 3535 35 de de 最终zuì zhōng zuì zhōng 组装zǔ zhuāng zǔ zhuāng 检验jiǎn yàn jiǎn yàn zài zài 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà de de 设施shè shī shè shī 进行jìn xíng jìn xíng 位于wèi yú wèi yú WilliamtownWilliamtown Williamtown de de AerospaceAerospace Aerospace AustraliaAustralia Australia LimitedLimited Limited 尽管jǐn guǎn jǐn guǎn 主要zhǔ yào zhǔ yào 组装zǔ zhuāng zǔ zhuāng shì shì zài zài 德克萨斯州dé kè sà sī zhōu dé kè sà sī zhōu 沃斯堡wò sī bǎo wò sī bǎo de de LockheedLockheed Lockheed MartinMartin Martin 完成wán chéng wán chéng de de
** * ** * 进度jìn dù jìn dù 延迟yán chí yán chí ** * ** * FF F -- - 3535 35 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù 确实què shí què shí 计划jì huà jì huà 延迟yán chí yán chí le le 数年shù nián shù nián
初始chū shǐ chū shǐ 作战zuò zhàn zuò zhàn 能力néng lì néng lì cóng cóng 最初zuì chū zuì chū de de 20102010 2010 -- - 20122012 2012 nián nián 预测yù cè yù cè 反复fǎn fù fǎn fù 推迟tuī chí tuī chí zhì zhì 20162016 2016 nián nián 美国měi guó měi guó 海军陆战队hǎi jūn lù zhàn duì hǎi jūn lù zhàn duì FF F -- - 35B35B 35B 20192019 2019 nián nián 美国空军měi guó kōng jūn měi guó kōng jūn FF F -- - 35A35A 35A 20212021 2021 nián nián 美国měi guó měi guó 海军hǎi jūn hǎi jūn FF F -- - 35C35C 35C

缺失背景

###### ### FF F -- - 3535 35 决定jué dìng jué dìng shì shì yóu yóu LaborLabor Labor 做出zuò chū zuò chū de de
### The F-35 Decision Was Made by Labor
zuì zuì 关键guān jiàn guān jiàn de de bèi bèi 遗漏yí lòu yí lòu 背景bèi jǐng bèi jǐng ** * ** * 购买gòu mǎi gòu mǎi FF F -- - 3535 35 de de 决定jué dìng jué dìng shì shì yóu yóu LaborLabor Labor 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 做出zuò chū zuò chū de de ér ér fēi fēi CoalitionCoalition Coalition
The most critical missing context: **The decision to purchase F-35s was made by the Labor Government, not the Coalition.** Kevin Rudd announced in 2009 that Australia would acquire 72 F-35s at an estimated cost of $16-17 billion.
** * ** * KevinKevin Kevin RuddRudd Rudd zài zài 20092009 2009 nián nián 宣布xuān bù xuān bù 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà jiāng jiāng 估计gū jì gū jì 160160 160 -- - 170170 170 亿澳元yì ào yuán yì ào yuán de de 成本chéng běn chéng běn 购买gòu mǎi gòu mǎi 7272 72 jià jià FF F -- - 3535 35
The Coalition (Abbott Government) continued this program but did not initiate it.
CoalitionCoalition Coalition AbbottAbbott Abbott 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 继续jì xù jì xù le le zhè zhè 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù dàn dàn 并未bìng wèi bìng wèi 启动qǐ dòng qǐ dòng gāi gāi 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù
### Inherited Program
###### ### 继承jì chéng jì chéng de de 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù
By 2013 when the Coalition took office, Australia was already deeply committed to the F-35 program with significant sunk costs.
dào dào 20132013 2013 nián nián CoalitionCoalition Coalition 上台shàng tái shàng tái shí shí 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 已经yǐ jīng yǐ jīng 深陷shēn xiàn shēn xiàn FF F -- - 3535 35 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù 投入tóu rù tóu rù 大量dà liàng dà liàng 沉没chén mò chén mò 成本chéng běn chéng běn
Exiting the program would have meant: - Loss of $500+ million already invested - Forfeiting industrial participation agreements - Leaving the RAAF without a modern fighter capability gap
退出tuì chū tuì chū gāi gāi 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù jiāng jiāng 意味着yì wèi zhe yì wèi zhe
### No Viable Alternative
-- - 损失sǔn shī sǔn shī 投资tóu zī tóu zī de de 55 5 亿多yì duō yì duō 澳元ào yuán ào yuán
The claim omits that no viable alternative existed.
-- - 丧失sàng shī sàng shī 工业gōng yè gōng yè 参与cān yù cān yù 协议xié yì xié yì
The F/A-18 Hornet fleet was aging, and the only other modern 5th-generation fighter (F-22) was not available for export.
-- - 导致dǎo zhì dǎo zhì 皇家huáng jiā huáng jiā 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 空军kōng jūn kōng jūn 缺乏quē fá quē fá 现代化xiàn dài huà xiàn dài huà 战斗机zhàn dòu jī zhàn dòu jī 能力néng lì néng lì
The F-35 was the only option for a modern stealth fighter capability.
###### ### 缺乏quē fá quē fá 可行kě xíng kě xíng 替代tì dài tì dài 方案fāng àn fāng àn
### International Partners
gāi gāi 声称shēng chēng shēng chēng 忽略hū lüè hū lüè le le 存在cún zài cún zài 可行kě xíng kě xíng 替代tì dài tì dài 方案fāng àn fāng àn de de 事实shì shí shì shí
Australia was not alone in procuring the F-35.
FF F // / AA A -- - 1818 18 大黄蜂dà huáng fēng dà huáng fēng 机队jī duì jī duì 正在zhèng zài zhèng zài 老化lǎo huà lǎo huà ér ér 唯一wéi yī wéi yī 其他qí tā qí tā 现代化xiàn dài huà xiàn dài huà 第五代dì wǔ dài dì wǔ dài 战斗机zhàn dòu jī zhàn dòu jī FF F -- - 2222 22 对外duì wài duì wài 出口chū kǒu chū kǒu
The program involves eight partner nations (including UK, Canada, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Denmark) and multiple foreign military sales customers.
FF F -- - 3535 35 shì shì 获得huò dé huò dé 现代化xiàn dài huà xiàn dài huà 隐形yǐn xíng yǐn xíng 战斗机zhàn dòu jī zhàn dòu jī 能力néng lì néng lì de de 唯一wéi yī wéi yī 选择xuǎn zé xuǎn zé
All these nations faced the same technical challenges.
###### ### 国际guó jì guó jì 合作伙伴hé zuò huǒ bàn hé zuò huǒ bàn
澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 并非bìng fēi bìng fēi 唯一wéi yī wéi yī 采购cǎi gòu cǎi gòu FF F -- - 3535 35 de de 国家guó jiā guó jiā
gāi gāi 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù 涉及shè jí shè jí 八个bā gè bā gè 合作伙伴hé zuò huǒ bàn hé zuò huǒ bàn 国家guó jiā guó jiā 包括bāo kuò bāo kuò 英国yīng guó yīng guó 加拿大jiā ná dà jiā ná dà 意大利yì dà lì yì dà lì 荷兰hé lán hé lán 挪威nuó wēi nuó wēi 丹麦dān mài dān mài 多个duō gè duō gè 外国wài guó wài guó 军事jūn shì jūn shì 销售xiāo shòu xiāo shòu 客户kè hù kè hù
所有suǒ yǒu suǒ yǒu 这些zhè xiē zhè xiē 国家guó jiā guó jiā dōu dōu 面临miàn lín miàn lín 同样tóng yàng tóng yàng de de 技术jì shù jì shù 挑战tiǎo zhàn tiǎo zhàn

来源可信度评估

** * ** * TharunkaTharunka Tharunka UNSWUNSW UNSW 学生xué shēng xué shēng 报纸bào zhǐ bào zhǐ ** * ** * 一份yī fèn yī fèn 没有méi yǒu méi yǒu 国防guó fáng guó fáng 新闻xīn wén xīn wén 专业知识zhuān yè zhī shí zhuān yè zhī shí de de 学生xué shēng xué shēng 出版物chū bǎn wù chū bǎn wù
**Tharunka (UNSW student newspaper):** A student publication without defense journalism expertise.
zài zài 技术jì shù jì shù 军事jūn shì jūn shì 问题wèn tí wèn tí shàng shàng de de 可信度kě xìn dù kě xìn dù 有限yǒu xiàn yǒu xiàn
Limited credibility on technical military matters. **War Is Boring (Medium):** A defense blog known for critical coverage of military procurement.
** * ** * WarWar War IsIs Is BoringBoring Boring MediumMedium Medium ** * ** * 一个yí gè yí gè 批评性pī píng xìng pī píng xìng 报道bào dào bào dào 军事jūn shì jūn shì 采购cǎi gòu cǎi gòu ér ér 闻名wén míng wén míng de de 国防guó fáng guó fáng 博客bó kè bó kè
Provides useful perspectives but has an editorial stance critical of expensive weapons programs. **The Guardian (2014, 2016):** Reputable mainstream international news source.
提供tí gōng tí gōng 有用yǒu yòng yǒu yòng de de 观点guān diǎn guān diǎn dàn dàn 编辑biān jí biān jí 立场lì chǎng lì chǎng duì duì 昂贵áng guì áng guì de de 武器wǔ qì wǔ qì 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù chí chí 批评pī píng pī píng 态度tài dù tài dù
Generally reliable for factual reporting. **Foxtrot Alpha/Jalopnik:** Defense-focused blog with credible military technical analysis.
** * ** * TheThe The GuardianGuardian Guardian 20142014 2014 ,, , 20162016 2016 ** * ** * 信誉xìn yù xìn yù 良好liáng hǎo liáng hǎo de de 主流zhǔ liú zhǔ liú 国际guó jì guó jì 新闻来源xīn wén lái yuán xīn wén lái yuán
Specialized expertise in this area. **The Daily Beast (2014):** Mainstream news outlet with general credibility for factual reporting.
事实shì shí shì shí 报道bào dào bào dào 总体zǒng tǐ zǒng tǐ 可靠kě kào kě kào
Overall, the sources mix credible mainstream outlets with partisan/critical defense blogs.
** * ** * FoxtrotFoxtrot Foxtrot AlphaAlpha Alpha // / JalopnikJalopnik Jalopnik ** * ** * 专注zhuān zhù zhuān zhù 国防guó fáng guó fáng de de 博客bó kè bó kè 具有jù yǒu jù yǒu 可信kě xìn kě xìn de de 军事jūn shì jūn shì 技术jì shù jì shù 分析fēn xī fēn xī
The technical claims (fuel, gun software, ammo) are supported by credible defense analysis, while the framing comes from sources with clear editorial bias against the F-35 program.
zài zài gāi gāi 领域lǐng yù lǐng yù 具有jù yǒu jù yǒu 专业知识zhuān yè zhī shí zhuān yè zhī shí
** * ** * TheThe The DailyDaily Daily BeastBeast Beast 20142014 2014 ** * ** * 主流zhǔ liú zhǔ liú 新闻xīn wén xīn wén 机构jī gòu jī gòu duì duì 事实shì shí shì shí 报道bào dào bào dào 具有jù yǒu jù yǒu 一般yì bān yì bān 可信度kě xìn dù kě xìn dù
总体而言zǒng tǐ ér yán zǒng tǐ ér yán 消息来源xiāo xī lái yuán xiāo xī lái yuán 混合hùn hé hùn hé le le 可信kě xìn kě xìn de de 主流zhǔ liú zhǔ liú 媒体méi tǐ méi tǐ 带有dài yǒu dài yǒu 党派dǎng pài dǎng pài 色彩sè cǎi sè cǎi // / 批评性pī píng xìng pī píng xìng de de 国防guó fáng guó fáng 博客bó kè bó kè
技术jì shù jì shù 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ 燃油rán yóu rán yóu 机炮jī pào jī pào 软件ruǎn jiàn ruǎn jiàn 弹药dàn yào dàn yào 得到dé dào dé dào 可信kě xìn kě xìn 国防guó fáng guó fáng 分析fēn xī fēn xī de de 支持zhī chí zhī chí ér ér 表述biǎo shù biǎo shù 来自lái zì lái zì duì duì FF F -- - 3535 35 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù 具有jù yǒu jù yǒu 明显míng xiǎn míng xiǎn 编辑biān jí biān jí 偏见piān jiàn piān jiàn de de 来源lái yuán lái yuán
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工党对比

** * ** * LaborLabor Labor 是否shì fǒu shì fǒu 做过zuò guò zuò guò 类似lèi sì lèi sì de de 事情shì qíng shì qíng
**Did Labor do something similar?** **Yes - Labor has an even more significant defence procurement failure in the Collins-class submarines.**
** * ** *
### Collins Class Submarine Program (Labor 1987)
** * ** * shì shì de de LaborLabor Labor zài zài CollinsCollins Collins 潜艇qián tǐng qián tǐng 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù shàng shàng yǒu yǒu 一个yí gè yí gè 更为gèng wéi gèng wéi 重大zhòng dà zhòng dà de de 国防guó fáng guó fáng 采购cǎi gòu cǎi gòu 失败shī bài shī bài
The **Collins-class submarine program** was ordered by the **Hawke Labor Government in 1987** and represents one of Australia's most troubled defence procurements: - **Cost overruns:** Original budget $3.9 billion (1987); actual cost approximately $5 billion+ (equivalent to far more in inflation-adjusted terms) - **Technical failures:** The submarines were plagued with problems including: - Noise and vibration issues (could be detected by surface ships) - Combat system failures (the Rockwell system had to be completely replaced) - Propulsion system problems - Software defects - Periscope issues - **Schedule delays:** The program ran years behind schedule - **Operational readiness:** For years, only 1-2 of the 6 submarines were operational at any given time - **Australian-built:** Built in Australia (unlike F-35s) at ASC in Adelaide - which contributed to the problems The Collins program cost overruns and technical failures were at least as significant as F-35 issues, demonstrating that **major defence procurement challenges are endemic to complex military programs regardless of which party is in government**.
** * ** *
### Other Labor Defence Procurement Issues
###### ### CollinsCollins Collins 潜艇qián tǐng qián tǐng 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù LaborLabor Labor 19871987 1987
- **Armidale-class patrol boats:** Also faced significant issues - **MRH-90 Taipan helicopters:** Ordered under Labor, plagued with problems
** * ** * CollinsCollins Collins 潜艇qián tǐng qián tǐng 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù ** * ** * yóu yóu ** * ** * HawkeHawke Hawke LaborLabor Labor 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 19871987 1987 nián nián ** * ** * 订购dìng gòu dìng gòu 代表dài biǎo dài biǎo le le 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà zuì zuì 麻烦má fán má fán de de 国防guó fáng guó fáng 采购cǎi gòu cǎi gòu 之一zhī yī zhī yī
-- - ** * ** * 成本chéng běn chéng běn 超支chāo zhī chāo zhī ** * ** * 原始yuán shǐ yuán shǐ 预算yù suàn yù suàn 3939 39 亿澳元yì ào yuán yì ào yuán 19871987 1987 nián nián 实际成本shí jì chéng běn shí jì chéng běn yuē yuē 5050 50 亿澳元yì ào yuán yì ào yuán 以上yǐ shàng yǐ shàng àn àn 通胀tōng zhàng tōng zhàng 调整tiáo zhěng tiáo zhěng 计算jì suàn jì suàn 相当于xiāng dāng yú xiāng dāng yú gèng gèng duō duō
-- - ** * ** * 技术jì shù jì shù 故障gù zhàng gù zhàng ** * ** * 潜艇qián tǐng qián tǐng plaguedplagued plagued withwith with problemsproblems problems 包括bāo kuò bāo kuò
-- - 噪音zào yīn zào yīn 振动zhèn dòng zhèn dòng 问题wèn tí wèn tí bèi bèi 水面舰艇shuǐ miàn jiàn tǐng shuǐ miàn jiàn tǐng 探测tàn cè tàn cè dào dào
-- - 作战zuò zhàn zuò zhàn 系统故障xì tǒng gù zhàng xì tǒng gù zhàng RockwellRockwell Rockwell 系统xì tǒng xì tǒng 必须bì xū bì xū 完全wán quán wán quán 更换gēng huàn gēng huàn
-- - 推进tuī jìn tuī jìn 系统xì tǒng xì tǒng 问题wèn tí wèn tí
-- - 软件缺陷ruǎn jiàn quē xiàn ruǎn jiàn quē xiàn
-- - 潜望镜qián wàng jìng qián wàng jìng 问题wèn tí wèn tí
-- - ** * ** * 进度jìn dù jìn dù 延迟yán chí yán chí ** * ** * 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù 计划jì huà jì huà 延迟yán chí yán chí 数年shù nián shù nián
-- - ** * ** * 作战zuò zhàn zuò zhàn 准备zhǔn bèi zhǔn bèi 状态zhuàng tài zhuàng tài ** * ** * 多年duō nián duō nián lái lái 66 6 sōu sōu 潜艇qián tǐng qián tǐng zhōng zhōng 任何rèn hé rèn hé 时候shí hòu shí hòu 只有zhǐ yǒu zhǐ yǒu 11 1 -- - 22 2 sōu sōu 作战zuò zhàn zuò zhàn
-- - ** * ** * 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 制造zhì zào zhì zào ** * ** * zài zài 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 制造zhì zào zhì zào FF F -- - 3535 35 不同bù tóng bù tóng 阿德莱德ā dé lái dé ā dé lái dé de de ASCASC ASC zhè zhè 加剧jiā jù jiā jù le le 问题wèn tí wèn tí
CollinsCollins Collins 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù de de 成本chéng běn chéng běn 超支chāo zhī chāo zhī 技术jì shù jì shù 故障gù zhàng gù zhàng 至少zhì shǎo zhì shǎo FF F -- - 3535 35 问题wèn tí wèn tí 一样yī yàng yī yàng 严重yán zhòng yán zhòng demonstratingdemonstrating demonstrating thatthat that ** * ** * 重大zhòng dà zhòng dà 国防guó fáng guó fáng 采购cǎi gòu cǎi gòu 挑战tiǎo zhàn tiǎo zhàn shì shì 复杂fù zá fù zá 军事jūn shì jūn shì 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù de de 固有gù yǒu gù yǒu 问题wèn tí wèn tí 无论wú lùn wú lùn 哪个nǎ ge nǎ ge 政党zhèng dǎng zhèng dǎng 执政zhí zhèng zhí zhèng ** * ** *
###### ### LaborLabor Labor de de 其他qí tā qí tā 国防guó fáng guó fáng 采购cǎi gòu cǎi gòu 问题wèn tí wèn tí
-- - ** * ** * ArmidaleArmidale Armidale 巡逻艇xún luó tǐng xún luó tǐng ** * ** * 面临miàn lín miàn lín 重大zhòng dà zhòng dà 问题wèn tí wèn tí
-- - ** * ** * MRHMRH MRH -- - 9090 90 TaipanTaipan Taipan 直升机zhí shēng jī zhí shēng jī ** * ** * yóu yóu LaborLabor Labor 订购dìng gòu dìng gòu 问题wèn tí wèn tí 缠身chán shēn chán shēn
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平衡视角

###### ### gāi gāi 声称shēng chēng shēng chēng 正确zhèng què zhèng què de de 方面fāng miàn fāng miàn
### What the Claim Gets Right
FF F -- - 3535 35 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù 确实què shí què shí 经历jīng lì jīng lì le le
The F-35 program did experience: - Significant cost growth (though much occurred before Coalition took office) - Substantial schedule delays (also pre-dating Coalition) - Genuine technical problems (fuel heat sink, gun software, limited ammo) - Issues that required workarounds
-- - 显著xiǎn zhù xiǎn zhù de de 成本chéng běn chéng běn 增长zēng zhǎng zēng zhǎng 尽管jǐn guǎn jǐn guǎn zài zài CoalitionCoalition Coalition 上台shàng tái shàng tái 之前zhī qián zhī qián 大部分dà bù fèn dà bù fèn 已经yǐ jīng yǐ jīng 发生fā shēng fā shēng
### What the Claim Gets Wrong or Omits
-- - 大量dà liàng dà liàng de de 进度jìn dù jìn dù 延迟yán chí yán chí 早于zǎo yú zǎo yú CoalitionCoalition Coalition
**Attribution Error:** The Coalition cannot be solely blamed for the F-35 purchase decision.
-- - 真正zhēn zhèng zhēn zhèng de de 技术jì shù jì shù 问题wèn tí wèn tí 燃油rán yóu rán yóu 散热器sàn rè qì sàn rè qì 机炮jī pào jī pào 软件ruǎn jiàn ruǎn jiàn 有限yǒu xiàn yǒu xiàn 弹药dàn yào dàn yào
Labor made the commitment in 2009, and the Coalition inherited the program. **Exaggerations:** "Spontaneously combusting" is hyperbole.
-- - 需要xū yào xū yào 变通biàn tōng biàn tōng 方案fāng àn fāng àn de de 问题wèn tí wèn tí
There were fires but not random combustion.
###### ### gāi gāi claimingclaiming claiming 错误cuò wù cuò wù huò huò 遗漏yí lòu yí lòu de de 方面fāng miàn fāng miàn
The $24 billion figure appears inflated compared to official cost estimates. **Missing Successes:** By 2022-2024, Australian F-35s have achieved full operational capability and are considered among the world's most capable fighter aircraft.
** * ** * 归因guī yīn guī yīn 错误cuò wù cuò wù ** * ** * 不能bù néng bù néng jiāng jiāng FF F -- - 3535 35 购买gòu mǎi gòu mǎi 决定jué dìng jué dìng de de 责任zé rèn zé rèn 单独dān dú dān dú 归咎于guī jiù yú guī jiù yú CoalitionCoalition Coalition
The technical issues have been largely resolved. **Lack of Alternatives:** The claim doesn't acknowledge that Australia needed to replace aging F/A-18s and the F-35 was the only 5th-generation option available.
LaborLabor Labor zài zài 20092009 2009 nián nián 做出zuò chū zuò chū le le 承诺chéng nuò chéng nuò CoalitionCoalition Coalition 继承jì chéng jì chéng le le gāi gāi 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù
### Comparative Analysis
** * ** * 夸大kuā dà kuā dà ** * ** * "" " 自燃zì rán zì rán "" " shì shì 夸张kuā zhāng kuā zhāng de de 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ
Both major parties have overseen troubled defence procurements: - **Labor (1987):** Collins submarines - severe technical problems, cost blowouts, years of poor readiness - **Coalition (continued 2014):** F-35 program - technical problems, delays, but ultimately successful deployment The F-35's issues were consistent with those experienced by all eight partner nations.
确实què shí què shí yǒu yǒu 起火qǐ huǒ qǐ huǒ 事件shì jiàn shì jiàn dàn dàn 不是bú shì bú shì 随机suí jī suí jī 燃烧rán shāo rán shāo
This was not uniquely an "Australian government" failure but rather a reflection of the challenges inherent in developing the world's most advanced fighter aircraft.
240240 240 亿澳元yì ào yuán yì ào yuán de de 数字shù zì shù zì 官方guān fāng guān fāng 成本chéng běn chéng běn 估算gū suàn gū suàn 相比xiāng bǐ xiāng bǐ 似乎sì hū sì hū bèi bèi 夸大kuā dà kuā dà le le
** * ** * 遗漏yí lòu yí lòu de de 成功chéng gōng chéng gōng ** * ** * dào dào 20222022 2022 -- - 20242024 2024 nián nián 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà FF F -- - 3535 35 实现shí xiàn shí xiàn 全面quán miàn quán miàn 作战zuò zhàn zuò zhàn 能力néng lì néng lì bèi bèi 认为rèn wéi rèn wéi shì shì 世界shì jiè shì jiè shàng shàng zuì zuì 先进xiān jìn xiān jìn de de 战斗机zhàn dòu jī zhàn dòu jī 之一zhī yī zhī yī
技术jì shù jì shù 问题wèn tí wèn tí 基本jī běn jī běn 解决jiě jué jiě jué
** * ** * 缺乏quē fá quē fá 替代tì dài tì dài 方案fāng àn fāng àn ** * ** * gāi gāi 声称shēng chēng shēng chēng 没有méi yǒu méi yǒu 承认chéng rèn chéng rèn 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà 需要xū yào xū yào 更换gēng huàn gēng huàn 老化lǎo huà lǎo huà de de 大黄蜂dà huáng fēng dà huáng fēng 战机zhàn jī zhàn jī ér ér FF F -- - 3535 35 shì shì 唯一wéi yī wéi yī 可用kě yòng kě yòng de de 第五代dì wǔ dài dì wǔ dài 选择xuǎn zé xuǎn zé
###### ### 比较bǐ jiào bǐ jiào 分析fēn xī fēn xī
两大liǎng dà liǎng dà 主要zhǔ yào zhǔ yào 政党zhèng dǎng zhèng dǎng dōu dōu 监督jiān dū jiān dū 过有guò yǒu guò yǒu 问题wèn tí wèn tí de de 国防guó fáng guó fáng 采购cǎi gòu cǎi gòu
-- - ** * ** * LaborLabor Labor 19871987 1987 ** * ** * CollinsCollins Collins 潜艇qián tǐng qián tǐng 严重yán zhòng yán zhòng de de 技术jì shù jì shù 问题wèn tí wèn tí 成本chéng běn chéng běn 超支chāo zhī chāo zhī 多年duō nián duō nián 准备zhǔn bèi zhǔn bèi 状态zhuàng tài zhuàng tài 不佳bù jiā bù jiā
-- - ** * ** * CoalitionCoalition Coalition 20142014 2014 nián nián 继续jì xù jì xù ** * ** * FF F -- - 3535 35 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù 技术jì shù jì shù 问题wèn tí wèn tí 延迟yán chí yán chí dàn dàn 最终zuì zhōng zuì zhōng 成功chéng gōng chéng gōng 部署bù shǔ bù shǔ
FF F -- - 3535 35 de de 问题wèn tí wèn tí 所有suǒ yǒu suǒ yǒu 八个bā gè bā gè 合作伙伴hé zuò huǒ bàn hé zuò huǒ bàn 国家guó jiā guó jiā 经历jīng lì jīng lì de de 一致yí zhì yí zhì
zhè zhè 不是bú shì bú shì 独特dú tè dú tè de de "" " 澳大利亚政府ào dà lì yà zhèng fǔ ào dà lì yà zhèng fǔ "" " 失败shī bài shī bài 而是ér shì ér shì 开发kāi fā kāi fā 世界shì jiè shì jiè shàng shàng zuì zuì 先进xiān jìn xiān jìn 战斗机zhàn dòu jī zhàn dòu jī de de 挑战tiǎo zhàn tiǎo zhàn de de 反映fǎn yìng fǎn yìng

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关于guān yú guān yú FF F -- - 3535 35 技术jì shù jì shù 问题wèn tí wèn tí de de 核心hé xīn hé xīn 事实shì shí shì shí 说法shuō fǎ shuō fǎ shì shì 准确zhǔn què zhǔn què de de 燃油rán yóu rán yóu 散热器sàn rè qì sàn rè qì 问题wèn tí wèn tí 机炮jī pào jī pào 软件ruǎn jiàn ruǎn jiàn 延迟yán chí yán chí 有限yǒu xiàn yǒu xiàn 弹药dàn yào dàn yào 容量róng liàng róng liàng dōu dōu shì shì yǒu yǒu 记录jì lù jì lù de de 事实shì shí shì shí
The core factual claims about F-35 technical problems are accurate - the fuel heat sink issues, gun software delays, and limited ammunition capacity are all documented facts.
然而rán ér rán ér gāi gāi 声称shēng chēng shēng chēng fàn fàn le le 重大zhòng dà zhòng dà 归因guī yīn guī yīn 错误cuò wù cuò wù 暗示àn shì àn shì CoalitionCoalition Coalition 启动qǐ dòng qǐ dòng le le 此次cǐ cì cǐ cì 购买gòu mǎi gòu mǎi ér ér 实际shí jì shí jì 决定jué dìng jué dìng shì shì yóu yóu 20092009 2009 nián nián de de LaborLabor Labor 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 做出zuò chū zuò chū de de
However, the claim commits a significant attribution error by implying the Coalition initiated this purchase, when the decision was actually made by the Labor Government in 2009.
CoalitionCoalition Coalition 继续jì xù jì xù le le gāi gāi 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù dàn dàn 并未bìng wèi bìng wèi 启动qǐ dòng qǐ dòng gāi gāi 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù
The Coalition continued the program but didn't start it.
此外cǐ wài cǐ wài gāi gāi 表述biǎo shù biǎo shù 忽略hū lüè hū lüè le le gèng gèng 广泛guǎng fàn guǎng fàn de de 背景bèi jǐng bèi jǐng 澳大利亚ào dà lì yà ào dà lì yà yóu yóu 上届shàng jiè shàng jiè 政府zhèng fǔ zhèng fǔ 承诺chéng nuò chéng nuò 参与cān yù cān yù gāi gāi 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù 存在cún zài cún zài 可行kě xíng kě xíng de de 替代tì dài tì dài 方案fāng àn fāng àn dào dào 20222022 2022 -- - 20242024 2024 nián nián gāi gāi 飞机fēi jī fēi jī 实现shí xiàn shí xiàn 全面quán miàn quán miàn 作战zuò zhàn zuò zhàn 能力néng lì néng lì
Furthermore, the framing ignores the broader context: Australia was committed to the program by the previous government, no viable alternatives existed, and by 2022-2024 the aircraft achieved full operational capability.
LaborLabor Labor de de CollinsCollins Collins 潜艇qián tǐng qián tǐng 项目xiàng mù xiàng mù de de 比较bǐ jiào bǐ jiào 表明biǎo míng biǎo míng 重大zhòng dà zhòng dà 国防guó fáng guó fáng 采购cǎi gòu cǎi gòu 挑战tiǎo zhàn tiǎo zhàn shì shì 一个yí gè yí gè 系统性xì tǒng xìng xì tǒng xìng 问题wèn tí wèn tí 并非bìng fēi bìng fēi 任何rèn hé rèn hé 一党yī dǎng yī dǎng 独有dú yǒu dú yǒu
The comparison to Labor's Collins submarine program demonstrates that major defence procurement challenges are a systemic issue, not unique to either party.

评分方法

1-3: 不实

事实错误或恶意捏造。

4-6: 部分属实

有一定真实性,但缺乏背景或有所偏颇。

7-9: 基本属实

仅有微小的技术性或措辞问题。

10: 准确

完全经过验证且客观公正。

方法论: 评分通过交叉参照政府官方记录、独立事实核查机构和原始文件确定。